USTOA CEO Terry Dale Discusses 2025 Expectations and Sustainability Initiatives

Image: “I think COVID helped tour operators and travel advisors with our value proposition.” – Terry Dale, USTOA CEO (photo by Brian Major)
Image: “I think COVID helped tour operators and travel advisors with our value proposition.” – Terry Dale, USTOA CEO (photo by Brian Major)
Brian Major
by Brian Major
Last updated: 4:05 PM ET, Tue February 4, 2025

The United States Tour Operators Association (USTOA) is approaching 2025 with an emphasis on growth and responsibility, as members anticipate a year of increased sales success and profitability as they focus on organizational programming designed to enhance their professionalism.

The group’s 2024 Economic Impact Study, produced by PwC, found travel packages sold by USTOA members generated $24.4 billion in economic impact in 2024, up 8.1 percent from 2023. Members sold 3.84 million travel packages, up 6.1 percent from 2023, with 60.3 percent sold through travel agencies.

The survey also reported that 46 percent of active USTOA members anticipate a significant growth in sales volume for 2025.

The positive news was shared at USTOA’s annual conference in December. We spoke recently with Terry Dale, USTOA’s CEO, to hear his perspective on his membership’s prospects in the new year.

TP: The PwC survey reports 71 percent of USTOA members are “fairly or very” confident they are taking sufficient action to address sustainability issues to remain competitive. What is your message to members regarding sustainability?

TD: One of the things that I’ve preached is to start the journey. I think that's the most important message, because people are intimidated or overwhelmed about starting. I feel it’s my responsibility to encourage them to start. We've done that through our sustainability summits.

TP: What are your goals for members?

TD: Our goal in this conversation is to first provide a trusted space where there is no judgment. Just because someone else may be very buttoned down and very proactive in this space and you're just starting, there's no judgement.

Also, take the first step. It’s daunting but it’s digestible if you take it one step at a time. Don't let it overwhelm you, just take the first step. I think once [members] take an inventory of what [they] are doing, they’ll be surprised to learn that ‘Hey I’m doing more than I thought.’

I'm very proud of the progress of our members and the commitment [they] are making towards [sustainability].

TP: Your “Breaking Bread” initiative will arrange meetings between local destination and government officials and travel stakeholders to discuss ways to make tourism less disruptive. What are your expectations?

TD: The goal is to get people in a room together for a conversation that's honest. This is not a summit because you can't ask a neighborhood leader or activist to meet for two days. This is two hours to sit across the table and talk.

The only ask that I have is that the players come back to that same table in five or six months. You don't find solutions in two hours, but what you can do is start building trust. If [people] really think that, ‘Hey they're listening to my concerns,’ that's a big step. We need to also share that this can't be corrected overnight.

TP: What is the attitude of your membership regarding this issue?

TD: I honestly believe our members are very sensitive to the fact that sending customers during peak season [means] they're not going to have the best experience. I know our members want to [encourage] shoulder season travel. The overall consumer experience is going to be better and there's more value because the prices are a little less expensive. If we can slowly get the travel patterns into more of the shoulder season, that provides some relief to the community.

TP: Does anti-traveler sentiment concern you?

TD: I was in Germany in October for a meeting and I had CNN on and they did a piece [on the issue]. I'm not going say the two destinations they focused on, but it was all about communities and they showed residents with water guns and yelling and signs and billboards. We can't keep our heads in the sand because it's not going to go away.

TP: You live in Brookyln’s DUMBO neighborhood, where a street with a Brooklyn Bridge view has become popular for travelers and influencers’ social media posts. How do you personally view the issue of “overtourism?”

TD: There was an article this Saturday in the New York Post about my neighborhood. I’ve been here 21 years, and 21 years ago there was no one. Right now, on the weekends it's like Times Square. One resident was quoted as saying, ‘The essence of our neighborhood is being destroyed by tourists,’ and I understand their feelings. But I also know the few restaurants that we have those owners need those tourists. So it's all about balance.

TP: Do you have any advice for how travel advisors should counsel clients regarding such circumstances?

TD: If you’re a travel advisor, tell [your client] to get that iconic Brooklyn Bridge shot on Friday morning or Monday afternoon. You’re not going to get a good shot over the weekend because there’s too many people.

TP: What is your opinion of the professionalism of your membership during your time as CEO?

TD: Their professionalism and service has improved exponentially. I think COVID helped tour operators and travel advisors with their value proposition, because it really enforced the idea that you need a trusted professional to help you.

You might have been overseas when COVID hit, or you might need somebody to help you in extreme cases. Whether Mother Nature flexes her muscle or there's a geopolitical event, you need that safety net that my members and the travel advisors provide.

I'm not in the thick of it on a day-to-day basis but I know I hear from my members and their partners that the travel advisor is more relevant today. They wouldn't be saying that if they weren't doing something right.

The way they're guiding and directing their customers has to be at a level that is providing a good ROI for their customers and certainly for us as a partner. So I think they're we come a long way, baby!


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